00:00:00Janice WilliamsAugust 27, 2021
SUSAN FALCIANI MALDONADO: My name is Susan Falciani Maldonado, and I am here
this morning with Janice Williams to talk about her experiences at Muhlenberg College.
Our goal is to collect oral histories of people's unique experiences during
their years as a student and in this case as a member of staff to preserve the
information for future generations to access. The oral histories are an integral
part of our project, "The History of Diversity and Inclusion at Muhlenberg
College." We are meeting over the phone today on Friday, August 27th, 2021.
Janice, I'd like to thank you so much for your willingness to speak with us
today. To begin, can you please state your full name and spell it for me?
JANICE WILLIAMS: Janice L.-- well, actually, I'll use Merritt, that's my maiden
name. Janice Merritt Williams, J-A-N-I-C-E, Merritt is M-E-R-R-I-T-T, Williams W-I-L-L-I-A-M-S
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SFM: Thank you. And can you share the year that you graduated from Muhlenberg college?
JW: The year was 1970.
SFM: Excellent. This interview is expected to involve no more than minimal risk
of answering questions about the past, you may become bored, tired or frustrated
during the interview. Some of the questions could make you uncomfortable, in
recounting the past there may be risk of emotional impact. There is no
obligation to answer any question. If, after participating in this interview,
you have experienced any mental health anguish or other concerns, please contact
your personal medical expert, or you may contact the National Alliance on Mental
Health, a free and confidential resource. And the contact information for that
00:02:00organization is in the document that we sent.
We would like to ask that you be mindful-- you may feel free to use the names of
individuals that you remember from the past, just be aware that in case anything
particularly negative or potentially libelous is said, we may redact the name of
the person that you speak of. Have you read the consent that was emailed to you?
JW: Yes, I have.
SFM: Do you consent to this interview today?
JW: I do.
SFM: Do you consent to having this interview transcribed, digitized and made
publicly available online in searchable formats?
JW: Yes.
SFM: Do you consent to having this interview be stored in the archives of
Muhlenberg College?
JW: Yes.
SFM: Do you consent to Muhlenberg College and researchers using your interview
for educational purposes in other formats, including films, articles, websites,
00:03:00presentations and other formats?
JW: Yes.
SFM: Do you understand that you are not receiving any monetary compensation for
your time today and you are not required to participate by Muhlenberg College?
JW: Yes.
SFM: And then the one last thing that I will add here is the fact that,
according to our procedure, what will happen is we will-- at the end of this
recording today, we will over the coming weeks transcribe into text the
transcript of this, and I will email you a link to the recording and to the
transcript that you can read through, and you have 30 days to decide if you are
willing to have it be shared and if there are any parts of it you might like to
cut out. So you'll receive that. We try to have our turnaround time be speedy,
but in reality, it will probably be a few weeks. So if that is-- I apologize, I
00:04:00live on a busy road, so I will be muting myself-- we both will be muting
ourselves when you answer, so we'll just be capturing your audio.
So I think with that, we're pretty much ready to get started. Can you talk to us
about your childhood and early life? So, where you grew up, your family, and
then what prompted you to explore going to college?
JW: All right, I was born in Allentown, in 1938. And I attended Allentown
schools, grade school, junior high and high school, graduating from Allentown
High School in 1956. In 1956, I applied to Virginia's State College in
00:05:00Petersburg, Virginia; that is an all black school in the state of Virginia. I
had an uncle who was a professor on campus teaching French. And I spent one year there.
After that period of time, I found that I was not a good person for dormitory
living. I wanted to come back home and have my own room and be with my family.
And at that point that I applied to Virginia State, Muhlenberg was not accepting
women on campus. However, the very next year, 1956, -57,-58, the college decided
00:06:00to accept women as full time students, so I transferred to Muhlenberg, for my
sophomore year in 1957, and the year 1957-58. That was a very good year.
However, it was an expensive time for me to go full time for my family, and so I
did not return after the sophomore year, instead worked at several jobs and the
00:07:00most important of which was Western Electric here in Allentown. In the meantime,
I got married and had two children. One daughter and one son. In 19-- I don't
know what time. I'm going to say that after-- well, in my 30th year, when I had
a birthday and when I was 30, I decided that I was not living the life I wanted
to live. And so I returned to college full time.
I applied to Muhlenberg. They accepted me and granted me a full-time tuition
scholarship. So I was-- became at that point a full-time student, single parent
00:08:00with two children and a part-time job on weekends. I spent my junior and senior
years full time at Muhlenberg, graduating in the December ceremony in 1970 as a
psychology major.
My intent at that point was to become a high school guidance counselor, if I
could, in the Allentown school district. So upon graduation from Muhlenberg, I
got a position in the school district as a guidance counselor. They could not
accept me in that position because there was a state requirement that you must
00:09:00teach a certain number of years in the classroom before becoming a guidance
counselor. However, they offered me a job as a reading specialist in the
district. In the meantime, I had also applied at Muhlenberg for a position in
the admissions office. It was an entry level position. And I interviewed for
this job and was accepted by the college. Let's see--
SFM: I just want to break in here, it's-- we are listening avidly, we try not to
00:10:00add the little things like saying 'a-ha' or 'yes' or 'tell me more', because we
want to preserve the integrity, but I just want you to know we're still here,
definitely. And you are a wonderful narrator. So we appreciate that.
JW: Well, I appreciate your saying that. I'm feeling that I have too many 'uh's'
and silences. But anyway, if you have a question at this point, I certainly
would be willing to answer it.
SFM: To clarify, so I assume that you were-- you obviously-- I realized I don't
even need to ask the question, you were a commuter at this point when you were a
student, of course, because you had a family and you were staying at home, so
that the dormitory experience when you were 30 is not something that you were
experiencing. Can I ask at the time that you were a student, were you aware of a
00:11:00program that was known as the Educational Opportunities Program, which was an
outreach program to bring in black students from some of the cities and enroll
them at Muhlenberg?
JW: Yes, I was aware of this program when I was a full time student in my junior
and senior years at the college, and had the opportunity to meet and
communicate-- speak with a number of these students; they were very interesting.
A large number of them were from New York City. And so I knew them and became
acquainted with them.
I would like to mention that another student who was very similar-- had a very
similar experience as mine. Her name is Barbara Taliaferro, who was also born
00:12:00and raised in Allentown, married and had children. And both of us were full-time
students during those years that I was a full-time student.
SFM: Thank you, I have come across her name in the records, and she is someone
else, I think, that we would like to to follow up with. So I suppose before--
I'd like to hear more about your time in the admissions office, but before that,
I guess, you spoke about awareness of the students who were in the EOP, were you
aware of or participated in any activism that might have been taking place at
that time? I know that-- well, I know of some things, but I was just curious to
00:13:00hear your responses to that.
JW: At that time, of course, I was a full-time student carrying five courses
every semester and as a single parent had with two children to care for and
trying to work a part time job to help with our living expenses, I really didn't
spend any more time on campus talking with the EOP students other than lunchtime
or between classes, but even then between classes I studied, and of course, so I
00:14:00spent most of my free time on campus studying. I had to be a very serious
student because I had two years to do my work, and take care of other things off
campus, and I really did not, could not, socialize with the students, other than
the time period of time that I've just mentioned to you.
SFM: Thank you.
JW: Now this was as a student.
SFM: Were there any faculty members that you had who were particularly memorable
to you in any way?
JW: Well, during my student years, I assume you're referring to the student
00:15:00years now, I, of course, as an older student, was friendlier with some of the
faculty members than perhaps the younger students would have been, simply
because of my age and life experience. I had some excellent professors at
Muhlenberg. One was a sociology major-- sociology professor. A woman. And I
particularly remember a religion professor, a man. An English professor, I mean,
really, all of my professors were very good.
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I had somewhat of a problem with professors in the economics department, mainly
because it was-- they were from another culture, and it was difficult for me to
understand them with these theories that I also had a problem--struggling with
the economics in the course. But what I did was obtain a student tutor. They
helped me and with the tutor's help I was able to have a positive experience there.
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SFM: Thank you for that. So if we shift gears to talking about your time working
in admissions: so you said that was an entry level position, do you remember who
basically was your boss at that point and what were your responsibilities in
that role?
JW: My boss and very good friend from the time he was my boss throughout the
rest of my life was George Gibbs. G-I-B-B-S, Gibbs. George was an excellent
director of admissions, and there was two other men on the staff who had more
00:18:00experience and years in the position than I did. But who accepted me fully and I
enjoyed every minute that I worked there. The position required that I recruit
students, traveling to high schools in the other states, principally New Jersey
and New York, to high schools to hold seminars about the college, to inform
students what we had to offer, and I enjoyed the traveling very much. I enjoyed
meeting all the students. So I also interviewed students who visited the campus
00:19:00for individual appointments. And then, as the process moved on in admissions, I
reviewed applications from students and assisted in the decisions to accept or
reject the applicants. It was a wonderful job. Best job I ever had.
SFM: That's wonderful. We have heard very positive things about Mr. Gibbs from
students who remember him as the face of their recruiting efforts and as a door
00:20:00they could always go knock on for assistance. I universally have heard wonderful
things about him and and we have good quotes from him, articles from the
Muhlenberg Weekly, and other statements in terms of his efforts towards
increasing diversity at the college and being honest about what the challenges
were around that.
Of course, one of the things I think I mentioned to you in an email is Harold
Hillman, who is a class of '77, is very eager-- I don't know whether he might
have looked you up and sent you a letter or not, but one of the things I wanted
to ask if you would be comfortable with me sharing your email address with him,
because he reflected so excitedly about having met you, I believe, in Washington
D.C. and sitting down and stopping at Muhlenberg's table and having a
conversation with you, and he considers that conversation transformative in his
00:21:00life. And he would love to drop you a line at some point. Which is part of the
reason we're so excited to have the opportunity to talk to you as well.
I would ask, are you aware-- what were efforts at diversity recruitment at the
time that you were working in the admissions office? Was there a particular
mission in this area or a mandate or particular challenges around recruiting
students of color to come to Muhlenberg?
JW: Well, in the admissions office, we went to great pains to identify minority
applicants. I personally reviewed almost every application that came into our
00:22:00office where I might be able to identify that the applicant was a minority
student. So these applications were set aside and they were reviewed in a
separate-- I'm trying to be careful how I say this, because-- I mean, we were
meeting-- there were many different kinds of rules, laws at that time, but still
we wanted to make sure that all the students were given a fair appraisal of
00:23:00their academic achievement, in the admissions process. However, we set the the
applications aside that we thought were minority students and I personally
looked, read every one of them, and then I put them in a grouping which
consisted of, you know, the most acceptable to the least acceptable, keeping in
mind that Muhlenberg is a very, very rigorous College in its curriculum and it
00:24:00would not be fair to accept a student who would, in my opinion, not be able to
be successful at Muhlenberg.
So, that was the process that was used. I then presented the most qualified, I'd
say top half of that group to our committee--the committee was really our
admissions staff--we held weekly meetings to consider all students. And so, that
process was not the only part of my job, I also had a group of all students, of
other students, to review and to present to the committee. I took a special
00:25:00interest in looking at the minority students, trying to find as many qualified
students as I could.
SFM: Thank you. I have a follow up question to that, I would just like to share
that our colleague Kate has been able to join the call, so if she would like to
introduce herself briefly here.
KATE RANIERI: I am so sorry, but it is such a delight to be able to be part of
this conversation, thank you very much, and I'll let Susan continue.
JW: Well, it's nice-- nice to meet Kate, through this conversation.
KR: Thank you.
SFM: So my follow up question would be, did you-- once you were in a position as
00:26:00part of the administration and minority students had been invited to join the
college, do you feel that there was a support system in place for them? And if
not, was that a concern of how they would-- they would thrive or find community
once they joined the college?
JW: Well, in terms of support systems on campus, this was a very early time
during that period of colleges across the United States taking a very serious,
serious action as far as recruiting and attempting to increase the number of
00:27:00minority students on their campuses. So, there was no established systems in
place for minority students, I mean, you did the best you could in terms of--
all of us, as administrators were assigned certain students to-- you kind of be
a mentor to and to do follow ups as far as contacting them on some fairly
regular basis as to how they were doing with their studies and in other ways,
00:28:00and if they had problems, we would try to do what we could to assist them with
advice as to how to deal with the problem, especially from an academic point of
view; there were tutors available and there --and all the professors, of course,
would help all of the students. And I constantly reminded students that the
professors were available to assist them with their studies.
SFM: Thank you. Is there anything else about your time working in the admissions
00:29:00office --and I'm curious to know, if not, then how long you did stay there and
then what you moved on to afterwards?-- But is there anything else about that
period that you would like to share with us?
JW: Well, I think I said this earlier that my experience at Muhlenberg was
actually the most wonderful time. One of the most wonderful periods of my life.
I enjoyed being a student there, but as an older student, I'm sure that was
because of my age and I knew how important education was going to be in the rest
of my life. So I love the classes and the professors, but working in the office
00:30:00with George and the other guys was outstanding, I mean, it was just the
greatest. We were friends. As colleagues in working and also outside of the
position, we also socialized from time to time with lunches together and other
events, athletic events such as football games or basketball games or whatever I
could take the children to, and it was just marvelous. I loved every minute of
00:31:00it and when I left Muhlenberg, it was because I simply had to earn more money in
order to take care of my children, and I intended for them both to go to college
and knew that it was going to be a big expense on my part to take care of them.
So while I was working in admissions for four years, I attended and took classes
at Lehigh University for a master's degree and obtained a degree in 1974, and it
00:32:00was in higher administration. And in my thinking at that time was that I would
just apply for a higher level position in the college. Well, there wasn't
anything available that I wanted to apply for at Muhlenberg, and I wasn't ready
to move to another campus in another location, so I had to look elsewhere. I
went to the placement office at Lehigh, talked to the director there, and within
a short period of time I was contacted by Pennsylvania Power and Light Company
to interview for a position that they had as a college administrator on their
00:33:00staff. Now, as a company at that time, they had something like 8,000+ employees
and the company offered assistance to the employees with assistance in their
education, further education, and as long as it was related to any job that was
in the company, and so they offered this education assistance program, tuition
refund-- if a student-- if an employee took a course, and passed it with a B or
better, and it was related to a position somewhere in the company, they would
00:34:00refund the tuition amount to the employee.
So at that point, there may have been, perhaps of five or six hundred employees
who were enrolled in either community college or four year institutions taking
courses and so I would review-- was a process similar to one that I had in
admissions. I talked to the employees, advised them with some counseling as far
as colleges and courses, review their applications for tuition refund, approved
00:35:00them, and do a follow up in terms of reviewing their transcripts as they
continue their education and then at times advising them on other positions that
they would want to apply to within the company as they finish their quest for
more education. So you have there somewhat of my history. I retired from PPL in
1995, after 20 years, and the position that I was in at the time of retirement
00:36:00was manager of employment. So, I enjoyed PPL also, however, the Muhlenberg
position will always remain as the best job I ever had.
SFM: Thank you for sharing that. One of the questions that we like to ask folks
that we're able to talk to is: "If you had any words of advice for students of
color today attending college, what would those be?"
JW: Well, I have talked to many individuals about their interest in going to
00:37:00college. I had to consider the whole person and their life experience, and their
school experience. And taking into consideration the entire information that I
had about the individual, I would counsel them, or talk to them about, or advise
them as to my opinion on how they should proceed. Usually, if it was an older
00:38:00person returning to school after many years away from their studies, I would
suggest that they start with the community college, and as they as they did well
there, they could consider four-year school, whether-- and we could discuss
whether they could consider full time or whether it should be part time evening
courses, and we also thought seriously about what the majors should be because
there were many majors that are simply not going to be able to provide jobs
where they could take care of themselves, first and their families, second. And
00:39:00then there, on the other hand, there are majors that will provide enough for
them to cover-- to have a very successful career in life, take care of their
families. But we always discussed how stressful the experience can be and how
they had to make a total commitment to moving forward to get a better education.
SFM: Thank you. Does anyone else have questions for Janice?
KR: I wouldn't mind hearing what your thoughts are about how you see Muhlenberg,
00:40:00going forward, what are your thoughts about perhaps things we could do better?
And I realize this is just speculation, but just based on your own expertise.
JW: I assume that you mean better at Muhlenberg?
KR: Yes, that's what I meant, sorry.
JW: Well, I haven't been really on campus or that close to what's going on for
many, many years. As you know, with the fact that I was born in '38, I just had
my 83rd birthday. But I do receive the alumni information, I read the paper, and
00:41:00I read the alumni book that's published I guess, twice a year or something, I
read that from front to back and I see many of the things that the college is
doing and I think that their efforts are very good. But I always have to
remember that the most important thing is that you have to accept these students
who the college thinks really has an opportunity to graduate from the
00:42:00institution. You can't just take someone who may have a, you know-- wants to do
well and whatever, but academically doesn't have a solid enough background to be
able to handle courses at Muhlenberg. And Muhlenberg isn't the only one in this
position, I mean, all of the colleges are having the same problems. We try to
accept all these students that there are many things that are working against
the successful college experience, and it's just a difficult, difficult area,
00:43:00and job.
KR: It is because-- thank you-- the system and the kind of provisions that are
in place, the sort of structures that are in place to support students sometimes
seems like it's just not quite enough, it's almost like trying to hold on to
mercury. You know, it's when things happen with students that you're just like,
"how did that slip through?" You know, sort of.
But I appreciate your perspective. It is, there's lots of complexities that
especially students that are coming from so many different backgrounds,
regardless of whether it's economic or religious or race or gender or whatever,
there's geographical differences, so there's going to be some bumps in the road.
But I'm happy to hear that you're following everything, at least you know, the
magazines that come out about what's happening. That's great. Thank you.
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JW: You're welcome.
SFM: Do you have any questions for us?
JW: No, I really don't have any questions. I appreciate the fact that you're
doing this work. I think that it's a good thing, and I think it's important for
current and future students, all students, not just minority students, I just
think it's important that we have the history in the college archives and that
others will have the opportunity to hear about those who came before them. Thank you.
KR: Thank you.
SFM: Thank you so much for your time. You have been a wonderful interview
00:45:00subject, so thank you very much. And as I mentioned earlier, we will prepare
this transcript in this video in the coming weeks. And I will email them over to
you and you'll have the opportunity to read through it and then kind of grant
your final OK to it. But I hope that you have a lovely weekend and if you have
any questions at all, you have my contact information.
JW: Well, I thank you so much for including me in this project, and I hope you
have wonderful success, which I know you will have, be successful in doing your
work and feel free to contact me at any time if you need any further
00:46:00information. I'll be happy to help you.
KR: Thank you.
JW: I'm sorry that we could not meet face to face and sometime, if you would
like to meet face to face or whatever, I hang out once in a while with my son
and his friends at The Hamilton, which is right here in Center City, Allentown,
and close to my home.
KR: Wonderful!
SFM: It would be an honor some time!
JW: It's a Friday evening, happy hour time, and the club members--these are his
friends. Now, these friends of his are in their early 60s, he will be 60,
00:47:00nearing their early 60s. It's just-- I enjoy hanging out with young people. Now,
I have my daughter. She lives in Philadelphia, but she hangs out with us once in
a while, she comes up and meets with us. She is sixty-three. And I can't believe
that I have these children that are this age, oh, and by the way, they did both
graduate from Penn State.
KR: Excellent.
JW: I couldn't have them go to Muhlenberg because I always told them that I
didn't want my friends from Muhlenberg calling to tell me they were misbehaving
on campus.
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KR: Funny.
JW: Yeah, yeah, so. I thank you again.
KR: Thank you, thank you very much.